alchi/english/fragments/ideological-subversion/Expose of Communist in India, Former KGB agent of Russia explains.jtChRj9FLI4.en.srt

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our conversation is with mr. Yuri

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Alexandrovich desmond othe ii when i

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started working for the Soviet embassy

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in India I to my horror I discovered

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that we are millions times more

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oppressive than any colonial or

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imperialist power in the history of

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mankind that my country brings to India

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not freedom progress and friendship

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between the nations but racism

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exploitation and slavery and and of

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course economical inefficiency to this

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country since I fell in love with India

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I I developed something which by KGB

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standards is extremely dangerous thing

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it's called split loyalty when an agent

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likes a country of assignment more than

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his own country I literally fell in love

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with this beautiful country a country of

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great contrasts but also great humility

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great tolerance and if philosophical and

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intellectual freedoms my ancestors used

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to live in caves and eat raw meat when

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India was highly civilized nation 6000

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years ago so obviously the choice was

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not to the advantage of my own nation I

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decided to defect and to entirely

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dissociate myself from the brutal regime

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see first of all because defecting in

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India is virtually impossible thanks to

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very strong pressure from the Soviet

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government excuse me you were in India

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on assignment and yes I was working for

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the Soviet embassy in New Delhi as a

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press officer and defecting for a Soviet

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diplomat is next to impossible it's a

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suicide as I said because a great friend

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Indira Gandhi pushed a law through

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Parliament which says and I quote no

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defector from any country has a right of

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political asylum in any embassy on the

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territory of Indian Republic which is a

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masterpiece of hypocrisy no other

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defector but the Soviet one needs a

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political asylum so knowing that

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perfectly well I I planned a craziest

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possible way to defect

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I started counterculture

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in India there are there were thousands

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of young American boys and girls with no

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shoes long hair smoking hash and

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marijuana studying sometimes Indian

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philosophy sometimes simply pretending

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that they study and they greatly annoyed

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Indian police and they were

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laughingstock of Indians because

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obviously they they were

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good-for-nothing students I started

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carefully where they congregate what

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roots they travel what language they

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speak what do they smoke and one day I

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simply joined a group of hippies to

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avoid detection of Indian police I was

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dressed as a typical hippie with blue

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jeans long kameez shirts with all kind

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of nice decorations like beads long

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hairs I bought a wig because for several

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weeks I had to turn myself from a

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conservative Soviet diplomat into a very

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progressive American hippie

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my first assignment was to India as a

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translator with the Soviet economical

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aid group building refinery complexes in

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the heart state and which are at state

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at the time I was still naively

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idealistically believing that what I was

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doing contributes to the understanding

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and cooperation between the nations it

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took me quite a number of years to

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realize that what we were bringing to

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India was a new type of colonialism

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thousand times more oppressive and

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exploitative than any colonialism or

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imperialism in history of mankind but at

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that time I was still hoping that well

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maybe it's not that bad could be worse

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and things may go for better and I even

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tried to implement the beautiful Marxist

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smarter proletarians of all the

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countries unite I tried to unite with a

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nice indian girl and I was actually I

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was fascinated by Indian culture by by

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the family life in in this country my

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first assignment in India I was promoted

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to the position of a public relations

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officer you can see me here translating

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a speech by a Soviet boss and you're on

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the right I am on the right here yes and

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it was the occasion was commissioning of

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the refinery complex in Bihar Baroni

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another area of activity when I was

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working for the novice tea was to

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accompany groups of so-called

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progressive intellectuals writers

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journalists publishers teachers

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professors of colleges you can see me

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here in Kremlin I'm second on the left

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with a group of Pakistani and Indian

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intellectuals most of them pretend that

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they don't understand that we are

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actually working on behalf of the Soviet

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government and the KGB they pretended

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that they are actually being guests a

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VIP intellectuals that they are treated

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according to their merits and and their

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intellectual abilities for us they were

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just a bunch of political prostitutes to

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be taken advantage for various

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propaganda of

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Asians therefore you can see perfectly

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well they senior colleague of mine on

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the left doesn't really have that much

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respect on his face and myself with a

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very skeptical smile typical KGB

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sarcastic smile anticipating another

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victim of ideological brainwashing this

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is how a typical conference in novice

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tea headquarters in Moscow look likes

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sitting in the middle is boris butakov

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the then director of norms depress

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agency high-ranking party bureaucrat in

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the department of propaganda I am

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standing next to a famous Indian poet

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Sumitra and on punt he was famous

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because he was an author he was the

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author of the famous poem titled

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Rhapsody to Lenin that's why he was

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invited to USSR and everything was paid

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by the Soviet government the pay special

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attention to number of bottles on the

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table this is one of the ways to kill

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the awareness or curiosity of the

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foreign journalists my one of my

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functions was to keep foreign guests

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permanently intoxicated the moment they

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land at Moscow Airport I had to take

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them to the VIP launch and toast to

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friendship and understanding within the

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nations of the world glass of vodka then

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the second glass of vodka and in no time

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my guests would be feeling very happy

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they would see everything in kind of

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pink nice color and that's the way I I

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had to keep them permanently for the

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next 15 or 20 days at certain point in

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time I had to withdraw alcohol from them

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so that some of them were the most

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recruitable would feel a little bit

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shaky guilty trying to remember what

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they were talking last night that's the

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time to approach them with all kind of

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nonsense such as joint communique or

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statement for for Soviet propaganda

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that's the time they aren't the most

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flexible and of course what they didn't

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understand they didn't realize or

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pretended not to realize that myself who

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was drinking together with them

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was not drinking at all I had ways to

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get rid of alcohol through various

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techniques including special peels which

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were given to me by my colleagues but

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they were taking it seriously in other

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words they they they would consume quite

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large volumes of alcohol and feel quite

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uneasy next morning this is the first

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stage of befriending a professor you can

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see myself on the left with the same

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James Bond smile on my on the right is

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my KGB supervisor comrade Leonid metro

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Keon and in the middle a professor of

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political science in Delhi University

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the next stage would be to invite him to

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a gathering of in the Soviet Friendship

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Society there he is sitting next to his

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wife before he is being sent to USSR for

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free trip everything is paid by the

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Soviet government he was made to believe

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that he is invited to USSR because he is

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a talented sober thinking intellectual

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absolutely false he is invited because

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he is a useful idiot because he would

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agree and subscribe to most of the

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Soviet propaganda cliche and when he is

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coming back to his own country he is

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going for years and years to teach the

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beauties of Soviet socialism to newer

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and newer generations of his students

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thus promoting the Soviet propaganda

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line part of the building of USSR

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embassy and my supervisors on the left

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is comrade McGee an Indian communist and

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on the right

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comrade Metro him my supervisors in the

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secret department of research and Contra

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propaganda it has nothing to do with

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either research or country propaganda

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most of the activity of the department

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was to compile huge ammount volume of

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information on individuals who were

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instrumental in creating public opinion

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publishers editors journalists actors

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educationalists professors of political

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science members of parliament

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representatives of business circles most

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of these people were divided roughly

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into groups those who would toe the

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Soviet foreign policy they would be

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promoted to the positions of power

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through media and

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the opinion manipulation those who

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refuse the Soviet influence in their own

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country would be character assassinated

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or executed physically come revolution

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under the guidance of the Soviet embassy

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in Hanoi and same thing I was doing in

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New Delhi to my horror I discovered that

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in the files where people were doomed to

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execution there were names of pro-soviet

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journalists with whom I was personally

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friendly pressure of him yes they were

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idealistically minded leftists who made

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several visits to USSR and yet the KGB

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decided that come revolution or drastic

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changes in political structure of India

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they will have to go wise not because

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they know too much simply because you

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see the useful idiots the the leftists

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who are idealistic aliy believing in the

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beauty of soviet socialist or communist

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or whatever system when they get

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disillusioned they become the worst

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enemies that's why my KGB instructors

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specifically made the point never bother

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with leftists forget about these

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political prostitutes aim higher this

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was my instruction try to get into into

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large circulation established

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conservative media reach filthy rich

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movie makers intellectuals so-called

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academic circles cynical egocentric

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people who can look into your eyes with

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angelic expression and tell you a lie

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this are the most recruitable people

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people who lack moral principles who are

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either too greedy or to suffer from

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self-importance

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they feel that they they matter a lot

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these are the people who KGB wanted very

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much to recruit but to eliminate the

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others to execute the others don't they

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serve some purpose wouldn't they be not

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one they realize they serve purpose only

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at the stage of destabilization of a

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nation for example your leftists in

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United States all these professors and

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all this beautiful civil rights

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defenders they are instrumental in the

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process of the of the subversion only to

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disturb you lies the nation

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when their job is completed they are

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known they are not needed anymore they

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know too much some of them when they get

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disillusioned when they see that Marxist

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Leninist come to power obviously they

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get offended they think that they will

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come to power that will never happen of

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course they will be lined up against the

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wall and shot but they may turn into the

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most bitter enemies of Marxist Leninist

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when most of the Indians who were

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cooperating with the Soviets especially

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without the Department of Information of

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the USSR embassy were listed for

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execution and when I discovered that

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fact of course I was sick I was mentally

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and physically sick I thought the time

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I'm going to explode one day during the

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briefing at the ambassador's office I

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would stand up and say something that we

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are basically a bunch of murderers

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that's what we are we yeah there's

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nothing to do with friendship and

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understanding between the nation and

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blah blah blah we're murderers we behave

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as a bunch of thugs in the country which

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which is hospitable to us a country

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which which with ancient traditions but

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I I did not the fact I tried to get the

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message across to my horror

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nobody wanted even to listen least of

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all to believe what I had to say and I

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tried all kinds of tricks I would I

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would I would leak information through

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letters or lost documents or something

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like that and still I got no message the

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message was not published even in the

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conservative mass media of India the

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immediate impulse to defect was

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Bangladesh crisis which was described by

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American correspondence as Islamic

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grassroot Revolution which is absolute

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baloney there was nothing to do with

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Islam and there was no grassroot

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revolution actually there are no

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grassroot revolutions period any

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revolution is a byproduct of a highly

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organized group of conscientious and

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professional and organizers but there's

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nothing to do with grassroot in

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Bangladesh it was nothing

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with grassroots most of the Awami League

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party members of a mulignans People's

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Party were trained in Moscow in the hi

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party school most of the Mukti fauj

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leaders Mukti forages in Bengali means

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People's Army same as SWAPO and and all

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kind of Liberation Army's all over the

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world the same bunch of useful idiots

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they were trained at Lumumba University

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and various centres of the KGB in

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Simferopol in in Crimea and in Tashkent

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so when I saw that India Indian

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territory is being used as a jumping

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board to destroy East Pakistan

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I saw myself thousands of so-called

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students traveling through India to East

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Pakistan through the territory of India

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and Indian government pretended not to

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see what was going on they knew

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perfectly well the Indian pollutin knew

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it the intelligence Department of Indian

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government knew it the KGB of course

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knew it and the CIA knew it that that

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was most infuriating because when I

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defected and I explained to the CIA

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debriefers they should watch out because

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East Pakistan is going to erupt any

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moment they said I was look I was

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reading to too many James Bond novels

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anyway so East Pakistan was doomed

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one of my colleagues in in the Soviet

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consulate in Calcutta when he was dead

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drunk he ventured into the basement to

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relieve himself and he found the big

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boxes which said printed matter to Dhaka

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University

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Dhaka is the capital of East Pakistan

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and since he was drunk and curious he

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opened one of the boxes and he

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discovered not printed metric he

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discovered Kalashnikov guns and

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ammunition in there anyway it's a long

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story when I saw the preparations for

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the for the invasion into East Pakistan

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obviously I wanted to defect immediately

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the only thing I couldn't I couldn't at

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that time make up my mind when and where

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and how one of the reasons of course you

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see I was in love with the India I

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mentioned it before I spoke the

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languages I socialized with people and I

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understood that I had to act fast unless

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I want this beautiful country to be

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permanently and irreparably damaged by

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our presence

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